Some consideration was given in 1964 to reactivate the vessel for use as a command ship during a series of nuclear experiments in the Pacific Ocean, but it was determined that the cost would have been too high, thus the cruiser De Grasse was used instead. On November 8, while supporting landings near Casablanca, Massachusetts came under fire from Jean Bart. by Steve Crandell » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:18 pm, Post But it was nonetheless a battleship-on-battleship engagement. Share. One more shell from Massachusetts struck the ship at 08:10 on the quarterdeck, where it penetrated the sloped armor deck and exploded in the ballast compartment, causing additional flooding in the steering compartment. The ship spent late 1955 and early 1956 in port and conducting gunnery training in Les Salins d'Hyères. The small Dunkerque-class battleships that had been ordered provided the template for the next French battleship design, but it needed to be scaled up to match the new Italian vessels, both in terms of offensive and defensive characteristics. By freak chance, her destroyer escorts dissappear, and likewise, the USS Massachusetts finds herself without direct support. The latter concept involved five different variants that ranged from adding missile launchers with 24–44 missiles to the quarterdeck to removing the main battery turrets and reconstructing the forward part of the ship to house a large missile battery with as many as 325 missiles. At this time, the ship's armament was mostly incomplete; the forward main battery turret had its guns and armor plate installed, but it lacked necessary shell handling equipment and fire control systems. A minesweeping group and a minelaying group were in the force. Massachusetts replied, silencing Jean Bart with five hits. She arrived in Toulon on 17 October, and four days later, Jean Bart replaced Richelieu as the flagship of the training squadron. On November 8, 1942, she engaged the French battleship Jean Bart in a gun duel and … Jean Bart fired back. The fighters strafed Jean Bart's anti-aircraft batteries to suppress them for the Dauntless attacks. Massachusetts and its … Jean Bart had fired only seven rounds before Massachusetts ' fifth salvo jammed the turret rotating mechanism on Jean Bart. In early November, the ship received a fifth 90 mm twin mount, with a sixth planned; at that time, the anti-aircraft battery consisted of five 90 mm twin mounts, five 37 mm guns (two in twins and one in a single mount), eighteen 13.2 mm guns (two twin and fourteen individual mounts) and one 8 mm machine gun. Another salvo landed close to Jean Bart's bow at 07:35 and deformed the hull plating. The British destroyer HMS Vanquisher and two tugs met the ship at sea, offering to tow Jean Bart to Britain, but Ronarc'h declined the offer. by aurora » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:11 pm, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. The dry dock used to build the ship was the newly completed Caquot dock, named for its designer, Albert Caquot, though it was commonly referred to as the "Jean Bart dock". The channel was to have been 9 m (30 ft) deep and 70 m (230 ft) wide to allow an easy passage of the battleship, but it was only 8.5 m (28 ft) deep and 50 m (160 ft) wide. She then conducted gunnery tests, and in May, she was assigned to the Groupe des bâtiments de ligne (Battleship Group) with Richelieu, though the unit was disbanded in 1950. She spent the next several months in Brest, and in early 1951 resumed initial training. While cruising off Lorient the next day, the destroyer Épée relieved Le Hardi and the three ships continued on at a speed of 24 knots (44 km/h; 28 mph). Jean Bart was a French fast battleship, the second and final member of the Richelieu class. By the time work on the ship was completed, she had been fitted with a variety of radar sets, including a DRBV 11 air/surface search radar, a DRBV 20 air search radar, and a DRBV 30 navigational radar. Le Jean Bart était un cuirassé de la Marine nationale française, le second de la classe Richelieu. Reduced to reserve in August 1957, she was used as a barracks ship until 1961. New fire control equipment was to be installed, including US-built directors and a Mk 4 fire control radar. An American covering force that included the battleship Massachusetts (armed with nine 406 mm (16 in) guns), the aircraft carriers Ranger and Suwanee, and three heavy cruisers led the invasion fleet that landed near Casablanca; the Americans hoped the French defenders would quickly surrender and defect to the Free French. The outer shaft screws were installed on 6 and 7 June, and her three aft boilers had fires lit for the first time from 12 to 14 June. Following the defection of French forces in the region to the Allied side, the French attempted to have the ship completed in the United States, but the requests came to nothing as the US Navy had no interest in the project. As tensions with Egypt over the control of the Suez Canal flared in 1956, the decision was made on 8 July to deploy the ship to Egypt. The ship carried four Loire 130 seaplanes on the fantail, and the aircraft facilities consisted of a steam catapult and a crane to handle the floatplanes. Two of the bombers scored hits; the first caused extensive damage to the forecastle and the second destroyed a substantial part of the hull toward the stern. Massachusetts silenced the French warship with seven 16-inch hits. The main armored deck was 170 mm (6.7 in) thick, and the conning tower had 340 mm (13 in) thick sides. Fire control radars included a DRBC 10A set for the main battery, six ACAE sets for the heavy anti-aircraft battery and five DRBC 30B sets for the light anti-aircraft guns. by Mostlyharmless » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:09 am, Post Massachusetts participated in one of the few battleship vs. battleship actions in WWII, when she fired upon the Vichy battleship Jean Bart at Casablanca. Work on the ship's propulsion system was greatly accelerated: some 3,500 workers were assigned to the project, and in the span of a month, three of her boilers, two sets of turbines, two turbo generators, and two pumps had been installed, along with critical internal communications systems. A third group suggested scrapping the ship and focusing on other projects. After returning from the cruise, which also included a visit to Oslo, Norway, she left in July to represent France at a celebration in New York of the 175th anniversary of the landing of French soldiers led by the Comte de Rochambeau during the American Revolutionary War. Milalex. Admiral Raymond Fenard, the head of the French naval mission to the US, requested that the US Navy take the ship to the United States to be repaired and completed, as they had begun to do with Richelieu. After shakedown, Massachusetts departed Casco Bay, Maine, 24 October 1942 and 4 days later made rendezvous with the Western Naval Task Force for the invasion of north Africa, serving as flagship for Adm. H. Kent Hewitt. Jean Bart, the second of the Richelieu-class battleships, was only 75% complete at the defeat of France. [48][49], /45 refers to the length of the gun in terms of. Massachusetts fired nine full 16-inch gun salvos (9 x 9 = 81 rounds) and hit Jean Bart five times within 16 minutes. This time around, the Jean Bart is complete with all her guns in their original configuration. During the operations off the canal zone, she carried a complement of 1,280 officers and men, despite the fact that her projected wartime crew amounted to 2,220. [13], The ship's anti-aircraft battery was strengthened in April 1942 with the addition of four 37 mm guns in single mounts and a pair of new twin 90 mm guns. In the course of the engagements with American forces, 22 men had been killed and the same number had been wounded. I haven't read Jordan & Dumas. Post Sep 28, 2014 #1 2014-09-28T21:04. French Navy Resists as Jean Bart Duels U.S. Battleship and Cruisers ... Battleships Massachusetts, New York and Texas, fleet carrier USS Ranger and four carriers converted from tanker hulls, and seven cruisers played important roles in the all-US Western Task Force. On 1 August, she was reduced to reserve status, despite the reluctance of many in the naval command to see the funds and effort expended in completing the ship be wasted. The two Richelieus and the two Dunkerque-class battleships totaled 123,000 long tons (125,000 t) of battleship tonnage. While steaming off Casablanca 8 November, she came under fire from French battleship Jean Bart's 15-inch guns. [12], The attacks prompted Ronarc'h to take precautions to protect his ship. The Jean Bart attacked by planes of the USS Ranger. During this period, her propulsion system was also completed, her main and secondary turrets were installed, and her superstructure was modified for the new radar and fire control equipment that would be later installed. The navy considered a number of modernization proposals to improve the ship's anti-aircraft battery or add guided missiles. Massachusetts replied, silencing Jean Bart with five hits. Forum rules. On 5 November, Jean Bart steamed south to bombard Port Said, but she fired only four rounds from her main battery before the landing was cancelled. USS Massachusetts (BB-59): Historical Overview: ... Morocco, the Battleship engaged in a gun duel with the unfinished French battleship Jean Bart, moored at a Casablanca pier. [7] Following their defeat in the Battle of France, the French signed the Armistice of 22 June 1940, ending their participation in the conflict. 89. Jean Bart took on fuel oil at sea from a pair of tankers and at 18:00, she left the area with the two destroyers. Armement Artillerie principale. Her anti-aircraft armament was slowly strengthened as guns became available and a search radar was fitted in 1942. In August 1957, the vessel was reduced to a barracks ship, and on 1 January 1961 her reserve status was downgraded. [46][47], None of the modernization or conversion projects came to fruition, and the missile batteries that involved removing the 380 mm turrets were not even seriously considered by the high command. During the peace negotiations, the French proposed neutralizing Jean Bart and several other ships in Oran, French Algeria, but they ultimately agreed to take Jean Bart and Richelieu to Toulon to be demobilized. Her normal displacement had risen to 43,052 t (42,372 long tons), with full-load displacement at 49,196 t (48,419 long tons). They arrived in Casablanca at 17:00 on 22 June. There, further modifications were made to the superstructure and the guns for her primary and secondary turrets were installed. She took part in the French intervention in the Suez Crisis in November 1956, including a brief four-shot bombardment of Port Said. Massachusetts participated in one of the few battleship vs. battleship actions in WWII, when she fired upon the Vichy battleship Jean Bart at Casablanca. They were scaled up to accommodate a much more powerful main battery of eight 380 mm (15 in) guns (compared to the 330 mm (13 in) guns of the Dunkerques), with increased armor to protect them from guns of the same caliber. Only one of the 406 mm shells could have threatened the ship's survival, as an explosion in the 152 mm magazine could have destroyed the vessel had it been full of propellant charges. This led to Operation Catapult, a series of attacks on French warships to neutralize vessels that would not defect to the Free French. French shore batteries inflicted superficial damage on Massachusetts, the scars of which are still evident on its decks today. Jean Bart opened fire with the four 380 mm (15 in) guns of her one operational turret on U.S. warships covering the landings. [19], Nine Dauntlesses, this time armed with 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs, and eight F4F Wildcat fighters attacked the ship at 15:00. "French Battleships 1922-1956" by Jordan & Dumas offers detailed coverage of Jean Bart's damage, with info sourced from the original French post-battle damage report. Milalex. Fenard issued a report to the US Vice Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Frederick J. Horne, on 15 April detailing the status of Jean Bart, but Horne replied on 1 May that the ship could not be completed to her original specifications. Nevertheless, the shipyard workers in Casablanca had readied the ship for sea trials by September 1943. [15][16], In return, Jean Bart fired four two-gun salvos between 07:08 and 07:19, but when the French cruiser and destroyers attempted to sortie, they laid a smoke screen that drifted and blocked observation of the American cruisers. The decision was made to finish Jean Bart along the same lines as Richelieu, albeit with improved anti-aircraft defenses. Built as a response to the Italian Littorio class, the Richelieus were based on their immediate predecessors of the Dunkerque class with the same unconventional arrangement that grouped their main battery forward in two quadruple gun turrets. The naval historians John Jordan and Robert Dumas note that despite criticisms from officers of the French naval air arm, "there can be no doubt that the decision against a carrier conversion was correct in that it would have resulted in a ship which was poor value for the effort and expenditure involved. SBDs from Ranger, besides proving their worth plastering land-based targets, had also socked the French battleship Jean Bart on 10 November 1942 in Casablanca harbor with a pair of 1,000-pound bombs, finishing what the battleship USS Massachusetts had started. While the Jean Bart was only partially completed, unable to get underway and had a marginally trained crew, the battle between her and the USS Massachusetts has some value in examining the damage Jean Bart received. [2][3], She was armed with eight 380 mm/45 Modèle (Mle) 1935 guns arranged in two quadruple gun turrets,[a] both of which were placed in a superfiring pair forward of the superstructure. The radar was pronounced ready for service on 6 October. [20][21][22], French forces in North Africa signed an armistice on 11 November,[23] prompting the Germans to invade the rest of Vichy France, which in turn led François Darlan, the former Chief of Staff of the French Navy, to defect to the Allies with the rest of the fleet. Hi nice vidéo but i think Jean Bart will be a T8 prenium BB not T7 cause she got good speed with 32kts max, good armor and 8x380mm in front so better in T8 than T7 i think. Before the French vessels could mount a significant challenge to the invasion, Massachusetts and two of the cruisers began bombarding the port while a group of SBD Dauntless dive bombers armed with 500 lb (230 kg) bombs from Ranger struck the ships in the harbor. [37], Work on the ship's anti-aircraft battery proceeded very slowly. The covering force then targeted El Hank Battery from 08:40 to 09:25. by paul.mercer » Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:48 pm, Post She sailed for Casablanca just before the armistice, and there she remained. Most work on the ship was completed by 1955, when she formally entered active service, and she conducted two overseas cruises to visit Denmark and the United States shortly thereafter. Massachusetts replied, silencing Jean Bart with five hits. The new anti-aircraft battery consisted of twelve 100 mm guns in twin mounts and twenty-eight 57 mm (2.2 in) guns. She was powered by four Parsons geared steam turbines and six oil-fired Sural water-tube boilers, which developed a total of 155,000 shaft horsepower (116,000 kW) and yielded a maximum speed of 32 knots (59 km/h; 37 mph). At a meeting on 21 September, the naval command ruled out discarding the vessel. Warships, naval battles, technology, weapons, navies of all eras, modeling, etc. For the remainder of the war, the vessel was used as a training ship. Sa construction devait se faire à Norfolk et il aurait été le quatrième navire nommé en honneur du 18 e État [26], [27]. by Dave Saxton » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:51 pm, Post While in Casablanca, the French attempted to prepare the ship for action as much as was possible in light of limited infrastructure and the necessary parts to complete the vessel. Massachusetts silenced the French warship with seven 16-inch hits. [1], Jean Bart displaced 37,250 long tons (37,850 t) standard and 43,992 long tons (44,698 t) fully loaded, with an overall length of 247.85 m (813 ft 2 in), a beam of 33.08 m (108 ft 6 in) and a maximum draft of 9.9 m (32 ft 6 in). She remained, unused, in the French Navy's inventory until 1970 when she was struck from the naval register and sold for scrap. Though she never became fully operational, Jean Bart nevertheless proved to be a useful test bed for a variety of new French anti-aircraft guns and radars. With the greater weight of the ship, draft increased to 10.9 m (36 ft). Jean Bart increased speed to 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph) and at 06:30, rendezvoused with the destroyers Le Hardi and Mameluk, which were to escort her to Casablanca. One of the aircraft scored a hit with a 100 kg (220 lb) bomb that struck between the main battery turrets but did insignificant damage. In September work to ready the ship for combat as much as could be done with the limited material in Casablanca began. Jean Bart was accordingly repaired as much as possible in Casablanca, thereafter spending the rest of the war as a training ship there. [17][18], Despite the numerous shell and bomb hits, Jean Bart had not been seriously damaged, though this was unknown to the Americans. In this battle, Massachusetts fired the first American 16" projectile in anger of World War II. [27][28][29], Options to complete the ship without US assistance were limited; the scuttling of the French fleet in Toulon in November 1942 wrecked much of the shipyard facilities, and Brest would not be liberated until September 1944. Les années 1920, en matière d'armements navals, ont été marquées par le traité de Washington, qui a limité la construction des cuirassés à des navires de moins de 35 000 tonnes, armés de canons de 406 mm au plu… The Dunkerques carried their armament in two quadruple gun turrets arrayed in a superfiring pair forward of the superstructure, and the designers experimented with other arrangements, including combinations of triple and twin turrets, but the need to minimize the length of the armor belt (and thus its weight) necessitated a repetition of the Dunkerque layout. Massachusetts received the “play ball” code at 0704, and she and Tuscaloosa concentrated their fire on Jean Bart. U.S. Navy ships damaged by French ships and shore-batteries were USS Massachusetts (BB-59), USS Wichita (CA-45), ... Of note, the moored French battleship Jean Bart and light-cruiser Primaguet were damaged along with other destroyers. Eleven days later, CV Émile Barthes replaced Ronarc'h. It then passed through the bottom of the hull, burying itself in the sea floor, where it failed to explode. The ship's main and secondary batteries were by now operational, and her propulsion system was complete, though she still lacked her anti-aircraft battery and fire control equipment. Massachusetts and its … When in 1934 Italy announced that it would begin building two Littorio-class battleships armed with 380 mm (15 in) guns, the French Navy immediately began preparations to counter them. The 152 mm turret would be retained for re-installation once the evaluation period was over. At 07:37, another 406 mm shell hit the ship, passing through the funnel and striking the edge of the armor deck. The tests revealed the need for extensive modifications to the systems that were finally complete in October 1954. Work on the hull was completed on 26 November 1947, which allowed her to be moved from the dry dock to the fitting-out quay. Close range anti-aircraft defense was provided by a battery of eight 37 mm (1.5 in) guns in twin mounts and twenty 13.2 mm (0.52 in) machine guns in four quadruple and two twin mounts. He estimated that 19 June would be the best opportunity based on the tides, and early that morning Jean Bart was towed out of the fitting-out dock by three tugboats at 03:30 and into a channel that had been quickly but not sufficiently dredged to allow her escape. The first struck the operational main battery turret, pushing the front glacis down and jamming the turret, and the second hit the superfiring barbette. [2][4], The French Navy awarded the contract for Jean Bart on 27 May 1936 to the Chantiers de Penhoët shipyard in Saint-Nazaire. However, Bismarck had simply a single 80 mm and 95 mm deck welded together. For navigational purposes, a 3 m (9.8 ft) rangefinder was installed on the conning tower and two more were added to the bridge wings in October. I was recently reading some history of "Operation Torch" in which the "Jean Bart" was put out of action by 16 inch gun fire from the USS Massachusetts. By that time in the war, the US Navy had more than enough battleships and aircraft carriers to fulfill its operational needs and moreover, American shipyards could not easily reproduce the parts necessary to complete the ship according to any of the proposals; the US had only agreed to repair and modernize Richelieu, which had been in a more complete state than Jean Bart, after significant pressure from Britain. Massachusetts and its escorts then opened fire on and sank a pair of destroyers. On 7 September, the ship received sixteen 13.2 mm guns and seventeen 8 mm (0.31 in) machine guns, though only one of the latter was actually installed as the light machine guns were of limited use. Coupled with the cost of maintaining Jean Bart in service, the need to release the manpower tied up in the ship for more useful vessels led to her withdrawal from active service after just two years. Post At a cruising speed of 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph), the ship could steam for 9,500 nautical miles (17,600 km; 10,900 mi). Jean Bart coming to World of warships soon !??? Jean Bart damage by 16 inch Shells from USS Massachusetts Jean Bart damage by 16 inch Shells from USS Massachusetts. The ship was not complete by the time Germany won the Battle of France, and Jean Bart was rushed to Casablanca to escape advancing German troops. by Byron Angel » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:16 pm, Post [31][32][33][34], With the fate of the ship still in question, she left Casablanca on 25 August, bound for Cherbourg, which she reached four days later. Warships at Morocco 1942: Battleship duel between USS Massachusetts and Jean Bart. After decommissioning on March 2, 1947, the MASSACHUSETTS was saved from the scrap pile when she … One faction, including Fenard as well as Admirals Pierre Barjot and Louis Kahn (the latter being the Chief of Naval Construction), advocated converting the ship into an aircraft carrier, while others argued that the ship should be completed as a battleship. At 08:06, another salvo struck the ship with a pair of shells. Like in OTL, the Jean … My theory (subject to confirmation when/if I ever get the time) is that Jean Bart may not have been perfectly upright at her berth as a result of relatively minor but uncorrected flooding from damage by prior aerial attack. Serious work on the ship was nevertheless delayed owing to the shortage of dockyard workers and the need to complete the hull of the Dunkerque-class battleship Strasbourg so she could be launched later that month. The French strongly defended Casablanca, even repairing the guns of Jean Bart, eventually silenced by USS Ranger (CV-4) dive-bombers. 8,304 144. [39][40] She thereafter conducted a series of training cruises off the coast of Brittany in August and September before transferring to the Mediterranean in October. Then shells strike her upper (330mm) or lower (250mm) belt, though the latter will usually necessitate plunging through water first, further reducing penetration. Jean Bart instead remained in Casablanca, where Free French authorities had already set about readying the ship for sea. Three of her nine two-gun salvos straddled Augusta, forcing the cruiser to withdraw at high speed and prompting Ranger to launch a second air strike on the ship. This meant that only half of her anti-aircraft guns could be manned. The first shell hit in an empty magazine. It was a very lopsided engagement, given Jean Bart didn’t have half of her main battery of 8 15″ guns active, and was moored in port. 89. Another shell struck the quay a minute later, hurling fragments of concrete that injured anti-aircraft gunners and caused additional flooding. She went to Le Havre in May to have a degaussing system installed, followed by further training cruises and tests to determine fuel consumption in June. Heavy anti-aircraft (AA) defense consisted of twelve 100 mm (3.9 in) /45 Mle 1930 anti-aircraft guns in twin turrets. In July, Kahn prepared a proposal that would have produced a carrier with a capacity of forty aircraft (and fourteen spares), armed with a battery of sixteen 130 mm (5.1 in) anti-aircraft guns in twin mounts, and protected with an armored flight deck that was 90 mm thick. L'USS Louisiana devait être le cinquième et dernier navire de la classe Montana. France used the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, which Britain had unilaterally signed with Nazi Germany (and in the process effectively nullified the naval disarmament clauses of the Treaty of Versailles) in June 1935 to dismiss British objections to the new ships. Given the objections to the aircraft carrier conversion, the construction department drew up estimates for how long it would take to manufacture the necessary 380 mm gun barrels, rebuild the superfiring turret, and stockpile the necessary munitions for the guns; the resulting figures projected that it would take four years to complete the vessel and another year to manufacture the shells and charges. maybe tier 7 premium BB... cinematic about the Naval Battle of Casablanca. The decision was ultimately made to finish her as a battleship, a process that took several years. The design staff considered 380 and 406 mm (16 in) guns, but the latter could not be incorporated in a design that remained within the 35,000 long tons (35,560 t) limit imposed by the Washington Naval Treaty and was quickly discarded.

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